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I don't actually see the licencing structure as being at fault at all, in my opinion it is what happens after the exam that is the issue. I am generalising here and i know that there are many exceptions. In a lot of cases local radio clubs are predominantly run by older members that are probably unable or unwilling to relate to younger members or to understand what it is that attracts them to radio. You all know me as a 5&9 operator but i'm 24 and know plenty of young operators and the main interest we universally share is the thrill of contacting foreign countries and entering obbjective competition, be it contests or awards like DXCC. Radio has no use for someone my age as a communication tool because if i want to speak to a friend I have Skype or inclusive minutes on my mobile.

When Jonny New-Radio turns up to a club he must have an interest in radio (CB'er, jammer or whatever) or he wouldn't bother spending the time and money getting a licence. When he gets his ticket he is faced with a group of OAP's that chat away of an evening on the local repeater or 80m net about their latest hospital appointment. Jonny is bored to tears and ends up jamming or messing about to get a laugh. If on the other hand he got his ticket and was invited along to a field day the next weekend where he sits in front of an HF rig and works 100 different countries and has a barbecue etc. etc. with like minded people he is far more likely to make a positive contribution to the ham community. I know for a fact that if it wasn't for a couple of members that took me aside and introduced me to DXing that i would not be on air now.

There are plenty of clubs that do positively encourage new licensees both young and old, CUWS comes to mind as one where they have regular meetings, field days and dxpeditions, but there are also far too many that send them home with a Baofeng and an invite to the evening net. Perhaps there needs to be a group within the RSGB or independently that deals specifically with young and new hams. There was a letter from a 14yo in the last Radcom suggesting a young persons net so i will drop him an email and try to do something about it instead of whinging on a forum. lol.

Sorry for the rant but im always being asked how to encourage young people into the hobby but it seems to fall on deaf ears.
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and try to do something about it instead of whinging on a forum
Followed by an apology for whinging :lol:
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northern35s wrote:
jonajuna wrote:wondering if i should even bother the 100 mile round trip every Thursday for the next 7 weeks to get my foundation?
If a bit of forum banter puts you off the hobby, then I wouldn't bother if I was you either!
lol, it wont because i've been online since the days of 14k dial up and an email address that were anything you like as long as it was [email protected]

my point was, if i wasn't so long in the tooth with the twaddle to be found on t'interweb forums and was a newly interested "ham to be", the comments by some of the elmers here would make me think, "should i even bother..."

if the hobby wants new blood, it must:
1) attract them
2) lead by example
3) be tolerant of learners

much of the content here serves the opposite of those needs

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NoiseBoy wrote:I don't actually see the licencing structure as being at fault at all, in my opinion it is what happens after the exam that is the issue. I am generalising here and i know that there are many exceptions. In a lot of cases local radio clubs are predominantly run by older members that are probably unable or unwilling to relate to younger members or to understand what it is that attracts them to radio. You all know me as a 5&9 operator but i'm 24 and know plenty of young operators and the main interest we universally share is the thrill of contacting foreign countries and entering obbjective competition, be it contests or awards like DXCC. Radio has no use for someone my age as a communication tool because if i want to speak to a friend I have Skype or inclusive minutes on my mobile.

When Jonny New-Radio turns up to a club he must have an interest in radio (CB'er, jammer or whatever) or he wouldn't bother spending the time and money getting a licence. When he gets his ticket he is faced with a group of OAP's that chat away of an evening on the local repeater or 80m net about their latest hospital appointment. Jonny is bored to tears and ends up jamming or messing about to get a laugh. If on the other hand he got his ticket and was invited along to a field day the next weekend where he sits in front of an HF rig and works 100 different countries and has a barbecue etc. etc. with like minded people he is far more likely to make a positive contribution to the ham community. I know for a fact that if it wasn't for a couple of members that took me aside and introduced me to DXing that i would not be on air now.

There are plenty of clubs that do positively encourage new licensees both young and old, CUWS comes to mind as one where they have regular meetings, field days and dxpeditions, but there are also far too many that send them home with a Baofeng and an invite to the evening net. Perhaps there needs to be a group within the RSGB or independently that deals specifically with young and new hams. There was a letter from a 14yo in the last Radcom suggesting a young persons net so i will drop him an email and try to do something about it instead of whinging on a forum. lol.

Sorry for the rant but im always being asked how to encourage young people into the hobby but it seems to fall on deaf ears.
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Jon, there's a whole history lesson to be had behind some of the comments in this thread, and accessing the web via my iPhone from a hotel in Turkey it's neither the time or the place to wax lyrical. Some people make valid points, some people whinge and moan, some are downright obnoxious, but as I said before the Internet isn't real life, the radio club, your circle of friends, your on air experience, that's real life, all that can be expected of any newcomer to the hobby is play by the rules and contribute to the hobby, that can be as little as being a good example to others, or passing on your knowledge, we all have something to contribute ;)
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My local club CARA (Cheltenham), have two young members on the committee now. One does the monthly Newsletter, and the other, the website. There are still some 'old hands' on the committee, but least the 'newly licensed' are being listened to now.

I though the comment anbout hostpital appointments was quite funny. I have my fair share and I am 46, not 86
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Dagnabbit wrote:
Seriously..?... they have to bleep out the tit in the middle of attitude? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Swine of a forum for anyone from Scunthorpe.
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northern35s wrote:
and try to do something about it instead of whinging on a forum
Followed by an apology for whinging :lol:
Ah yes but i did say i am doing something proactive and not JUST whinging!
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Yeti wrote:
Dagnabbit wrote:
Seriously..?... they have to bleep out the tit in the middle of attitude? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Swine of a forum for anyone from Scunthorpe.
God we've all heard the jokes, even some knober rap artist sang about our town.....well I work in Scunthorpe anyway :lol: :lol:
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Base Jumper wrote: 03 Sep 2012, 19:52 Its a shame that most jump on the M6/M3 bandwagon. you only have to listen to G7ERX and G1DRA to relise that the rot was set many many years ago ! {bnghd}
Ofcom need to tighten things up, If it means that amateurs need to put there hands in there pockets and pay yearly for there licence then that can only be a good thing in my opinion, if it gets rid of the twats.
At least one of those is at it again. About two years ago he was on GB3VA, giving out grief to people, then disappeared when someone knew who he was and called him out on air.

Now he's back, on GB3TU with another person, giving people grief.
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Being a new CB user and always having been interested in Ham radio - reading through the thread is quite harrowing.
It's sad that some "Bonkers" CB users get the rest a bad name and after reading here it seems a similar thing happens on the Amateur bands too.
I just started reading the foundation license handbook - very kindly given to me by another CB user who recently passed the Foundation license. The CB folk I've spoken to around my way have all been very encouraging with regards to passing the foundation exam and exploring radio a bit more.

I certainly plan to stick to the law regarding the correct equipment/output, protocols and band restrictions, that's part of it as far as I'm concerned.
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@Spooky
The good outnumber the poor and bad operators by a lot so you should go for your licence and enjoy operating and learning more about radio. CB is what it is and it has it's own place and supporters, again it's all radio :thumbup:
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G1DRA - Patrick was at it again yesterday and today on GB3TU, gobbing off at M3s etc. He's a bit silly, there's people monitoring the input frequency......
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Heard him again on TU yesterday having a shouting match with someone, then we went over to LT. It appears that G1DRA is a call sign he doesn't use anymore, I forgot what he used yesterday, but it's another G1 station.
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This kind of thing happens. Certainly we had it in 1980 when i started. It is not a ham radio problem, its a social one. There will always be people like this. The ONLY thing that works is ignoring them. When everyone ceases to communicate, and keeps this going, they get fed up and move to something else. Back in 1980, the powers that be searched them out and removed their licence. They carried on. They seized their gear, they bought more. They paid or did not pay fines. This made no difference. In 1995 i qualified as a teacher, and one of the modules was about disruptive behaviour and we had an expert talk to us about these people, because teachers are expected to teach these people. I learned quite a bit that related to radio!

ANY attempt to communicate with these people fails, they have different drives, and react differently from ‘common sense’ viewpoints. This topic has been going for 12 years, with no change. Its sadly, normal.

Now we have social media, you see it everywhere, because those people are anywhere. They spoil everything of course, but they crave interaction. Deprive them of it and they go away. Talking to them in any way, encourages them. Silence is not what they want.
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