DMR registration - data protection.

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Re: DMR registration - data protection.

Postby bobbyjobby » 14 Feb 2016, 20:35

Perhaps I'm missing something, but what's stopping someone 'pirating' your published ID number, making an arse of themselves and getting you banned? :think:

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Re: DMR registration - data protection.

Postby Admiral » 15 Feb 2016, 07:37

bobbyjobby wrote:Perhaps I'm missing something, but what's stopping someone 'pirating' your published ID number, making an arse of themselves and getting you banned? :think:


Absolutely nothing at all. If you put my RID in your radio then when you go on DMR MARC you instantly become me.

This vid goes on a bit, but you get the idea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-etwQB4bRY

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Re: DMR registration - data protection.

Postby bobbyjobby » 17 Feb 2016, 11:48

That's quite worrying. I thought I read somewhere something similar was done with D-STAR in the past.

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Re: DMR registration - data protection.

Postby sierra_za » 17 Feb 2016, 20:40

It was posted somewhere that Ofcom allowed DMR networks in the UK due to the user registration system.

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Re: DMR registration - data protection.

Postby Admiral » 17 Feb 2016, 20:59

sierra_za wrote:It was posted somewhere that Ofcom allowed DMR networks in the UK due to the user registration system.


Users are already registered..........with Ofcom.

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Re: DMR registration - data protection.

Postby sierra_za » 18 Feb 2016, 19:56

Well, instead of jumping to conclusions, why not contact Ofcom

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Re: DMR registration - data protection.

Postby WhiteNoisePoetry » 20 Feb 2016, 20:23

From what I'm reading things are turning a bit sour on DMR ?
Grapevine informs me there's fallouts, takeovers, dummies being spat out at dictatorships,websites being closed, Facebook arguments.

Who on earth would want to put a complete network in the hands of unaccountable tin gods who can pull the plug at any minute
if they don't get their own way.

Doomed to failure.

I'll get some more popcorn.

73 de WNP

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Re: DMR registration - data protection.

Postby Admiral » 20 Feb 2016, 20:39

Well, I'm not going to be an outlet for wild rumours, but it seems that the lack of TG235 net last Monday 15/02 had nothing to do with AWYs ability to access a repeater or not.

It looks like someone has hit the self-destruct button, hopefully the repeater keepers will keep out of it and keep them going regardless of some anonymous person telling them how to maintain their repeater.

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Re: DMR registration - data protection.

Postby battlestarone » 15 Aug 2016, 09:07

while i do agree with many of the points being made here,i think we have to remember it all about trying to keep the network secure and free from non licensed users on what is a worldwide platform,you cant enforce data protection for system thats server is located in another part of the planet,there system,there server there rules and i totally agree with the rules,there has been to much repeater abuse from non licence and licenced users over the last 10 yrs or more to he point where our own repeater group dropped the internet linking project and ofcom were useless at bringing the parties to boot with one case making a mockery of the case and ofcom in the courtroom,case dismissed.

dmr,dstar,and c4fm are the way to go,what one will win i am not sure and come out the most popular,,i think it will be dmr or fusion due to lower cost,but what ever network it needs to protect themselves now,and if it really goes, if your name is not on a list then your radio will not get access as the technology is there now to do this.

but i do agree that if anyone asks for you details for a data base then they have to assure users it is protected and not shared with 3dr parties.

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Re: DMR registration - data protection.

Postby Admiral » 15 Aug 2016, 13:44

battlestarone wrote:but what ever network it needs to protect themselves now,and if it really goes, if your name is not on a list then your radio will not get access as the technology is there now to do this.



But the main thrust of the argument is that I merely have to look up GM7JDS DMR number and stick it in my radio and voila, I'm you if I put on an och aye jimmy accent (mild humour, not disrespect).

And even if the numbers were not available, we all know the format, so a random number in the sequence will suffice to pirate.

Or maybe I've missed something?

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Re: DMR registration - data protection.

Postby paulears » 15 Aug 2016, 18:13

When this all came out, I remember scanning my license and sending it to somebody and receiving a number. I think I entered it into a radio, discovered I can't access the network from here, so never thought more about it.

Clearly, looking back, the concept of data protection is what has upset some people. Well as the list is a world wide system and the database, as far as I'm aware is run from the US, there is no data protection as the data holders are outside of the UK. Even if they were here, the Data Protection Act doesn't actually provide much protection when information is provided voluntarily, and in this case most of the data is not considered private, as it's available from the Government - in the same way that the electoral register is publicly available - so your name and address isn't a secret and no protection is possible. They don't collect any information apart from your license details, which again, are not private. Perhaps if you have an older protected address license then this could be non-public information, but if you did protect your address linked to the license, you probably would have to make a choice.

The other thing is that there is no compulsion to provide the details - it's a choice. However, if you choose not to supply what they request, they choose not to let you into the club. It's a two way process. Like real names forums. If you want to be a member, you give your real name, and those people I read complaining about it should just clear off - systems cost somebody money, and if they don't like you, or you cause grief, they can simply refuse you access. You agree to follow the rules and get an ID. If you cannot subscribe to their rules, set up your own?

In this world, if you want something it's a choice. Do it or not. If you want to fake an ID, borrow somebody else, or be a pirate for want of a better word, are you really doing this because some anonymous person in another country asked for proof you really have a license? Is this really worth it? Being outraged at being asked to provide a document, yet willing to pretend to be somebody else to get around it amazes me.

They're not asking for your bank account number or your DNA - they just want to make sure you really are a ham to have access to their networks.

Every month I get stats telling me hundreds of people I searched my callsign. I never speak to people abroad, so who are these people? I've no idea and don't really care - maybe somebody is using my callsign? I'm not and that's the important thing.


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