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Gliders on 446...

Post by LeakyFeeder » 15 Jan 2014, 21:32

On my way to Lincoln today on the A1 the radio picked up some comms between three or four stations tracking along the River Trent...
Turns out they were gliders running out of a small grass field that sits on a ridge where the A6075 meets the A57 (Notts i think)...
Nothing was heard on VHF apart from Waddo radar an various just the gliders talking to each other an the ground on two 466 channels (2 and 8)both using sub tone 4.....

Anyone else heard this lot ? Seems unreal in this day an age they are using toy town radios for comms.....?
Can see the field on Google Earth but nothing named

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Post by Farty » 15 Jan 2014, 22:03

Why spend more if toy town comms does the job?
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Post by JGR » 15 Jan 2014, 22:05

0.5w will be fine air to air or ground to air in fact it will be perfect for them.
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Post by Farty » 15 Jan 2014, 22:45

0.5 watts with a thousand feet of altitude and no metal fuselage to attenuate the signal probably works very nicely, and its quite likely it was a meaty Baofeng 2 or 3 watts and better antennae.
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Re: Gliders on 446...

Post by chaych » 16 Jan 2014, 00:11

yea..why spend hundreds of £ on an airband if cheap PMR446 works for them...though they're breaking the regulations
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Post by thelad » 16 Jan 2014, 05:41

I have heard some para gliders/motors on PMR446 in the past.
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Post by bigpimp347 » 16 Jan 2014, 09:13

when i first went for the RAE there were a couple of glider or plane people there..
they were told they had to do an RAE to be able to use radios airborne.
not sure how much has changed since then, it was 25 plus years ago..

but this story would go back to the driving instructors using 446...only takes one homebase illegal 25w PMR radio user to key on them and give them abuse and you have problems..

where was that again, not too far away from me :)
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Post by pmr446man » 16 Jan 2014, 09:49

bigpimp347 wrote:when i first went for the RAE there were a couple of glider or plane people there..
they were told they had to do an RAE to be able to use radios airborne.
not sure how much has changed since then, it was 25 plus years ago..

but this story would go back to the driving instructors using 446...only takes one homebase illegal 25w PMR radio user to key on them and give them abuse and you have problems..

where was that again, not too far away from me :)
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Post by chaych » 16 Jan 2014, 10:04

With 446 glider pilots aren't able to communicate with other gliders and there is a possibly of a mid air collision especially when flying through clouds or near other airfields
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Post by thelad » 16 Jan 2014, 12:12

chaych wrote:With 446 glider pilots aren't able to communicate with other gliders and there is a possibly of a mid air collision especially when flying through clouds or near other airfields
they are more than likely just using them for ground to air as its cheaper and easy to open a flying site. Most glider pilots will have an airband.
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Post by Bogget » 16 Jan 2014, 18:40

The gliders on the A15 at Kirmington also use 446

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Post by LeakyFeeder » 16 Jan 2014, 19:03

Im going back over to Lincoln on sunday to pick up the bike i went to look at earlier.. Will stop right next to the gliders field an try an see what freqs they work on...
Surely being so close to Waddo an Scamps they must have some form of VHF airband comms?
Never been right keen on gliders...anyone that has to take a parachute aloft cant have much faith in what they are doing.... :lol:

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Post by chaych » 16 Jan 2014, 19:17

LeakyFeeder wrote: Never been right keen on gliders...anyone that has to take a parachute aloft cant have much faith in what they are doing.... :lol:
My gliding club has never deployed their parachutes since they opened 30 years ago. Based on your logic, sailors don't have faith in what they're doing too as they all carry life jackets and lifeboats :roll:

The use of PMR446 instead of proper airband radios by glider pilots wanting to save cost can be deadly if one pilot strays too near another airfields and doesn't radio in their location/heading/height on the gliding frequencies..that's when you'll see the parachutes deployed
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Post by thelad » 16 Jan 2014, 19:47

chaych wrote:
LeakyFeeder wrote: Never been right keen on gliders...anyone that has to take a parachute aloft cant have much faith in what they are doing.... :lol:
My gliding club has never deployed their parachutes since they opened 30 years ago. Based on your logic, sailors don't have faith in what they're doing too as they all carry life jackets and lifeboats :roll:

The use of PMR446 instead of proper airband radios by glider pilots wanting to save cost can be deadly if one pilot strays too near another airfields and doesn't radio in their location/heading/height on the gliding frequencies..that's when you'll see the parachutes deployed
I imagine opening the co ck pit would be a challenge and un belting, by that time it may not be worth it.
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Re: Gliders on 446...

Post by chaych » 16 Jan 2014, 20:15

thelad wrote:
chaych wrote:
LeakyFeeder wrote: Never been right keen on gliders...anyone that has to take a parachute aloft cant have much faith in what they are doing.... :lol:
My gliding club has never deployed their parachutes since they opened 30 years ago. Based on your logic, sailors don't have faith in what they're doing too as they all carry life jackets and lifeboats :roll:

The use of PMR446 instead of proper airband radios by glider pilots wanting to save cost can be deadly if one pilot strays too near another airfields and doesn't radio in their location/heading/height on the gliding frequencies..that's when you'll see the parachutes deployed
I imagine opening the co ck pit would be a challenge and un belting, by that time it may not be worth it.
Not really. there are releases to dislodge the canopy and the unbelting is a simple case of turning a dial.
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