TV DX video capture uploaded onto YouTube

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TV DX video capture uploaded onto YouTube

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Greetings,

Man, there are some well cool examples of TV-DX footage on YouTube.

Check this guy out, and the associated clips from other users. A chap going by the name of tvdxrools.

The best is the extraordinary clip of FM Broadcast radio reception from....Canada :shock: :shock: :shock:

Bloody fascinating stuff, it's a proper flashback for me. Sitting in front of a TV straining your eyes to figure out where this "mad TV signal" was coming from. Ahhh...great days....

*gets a tear in my eye, and a lump to my throat*
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Excellent DXTV Indeed
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Pretty cool, i wonder what equipment he's using for the tv stuff? i see he's got some nice yagis and log periodics up on his roof :)
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Hello 5thElement.

I can help with your question. I know tvdxrools and also the equipment he uses. It is an external Hauppauge (USB) WinTV card. I use the same myself for my own TV DX. Info here:

http://www.hauppauge.co.uk/tvonyourpc/m ... ntvusb.pdf

We use the free "DScaler" software to run this as it lets you do all kinds of clever things which the Hauppauge software doesn't.

http://deinterlace.sourceforge.net/

So you can get started in TV DX for very little money indeed. All you need is the right aerial. For band 1 DX you need a simple dipole - I can supply dimensions, etc.

I also have confirmed DX reception of TV from Canada, the USA and Puerto Rico.

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The_Prisoner wrote: I also have confirmed DX reception of TV from Canada, the USA and Puerto Rico.
Hi John,

I find this fascinating and have located a number of different files on youtube. Can we see some photo's or movies of your North and Central American reception, do the images resolve correctly as I seem to remember they use a different format to our European system?

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Hi Grafter.

Most of my TV DXing is done by using an Icom PCR1000. I monitor carriers on band 1 so I can try and work out where the DX is coming from. Now, I don't now how much info you want here as I can type for England, but let me try and keep my waffle to a minimum for now.

If I receive a carrier on an unusual offset or on an American channel (CH's A2, A3, A4, etc. I then look on the respective audio channels for sound and quickly hit the record button if there is anyting interesting coming in. I use WaveLab for recording this. Such distant signals are rarely strong enough for video. I don't seem to do very well with video anyway so I tend to concentrate on the carriers. The CKCW DX was only just strong enough to see the weakest of signal. Since America generally use 525 lines the picture may have trouble locking. All I saw was a very weak rolling picture, but the audio was the proof. You can hear it here:

http://www.skywaves.info/index.php?enti ... TML&id=136

My Puerto Rican reception was confirmed by a Spanish speaker translating the audio to reveal presenters names and programme details.

Carrier DXing is a less common activity among TV DXers but they have their uses.

http://www.skywaves.info/index.php?enti ... HTML&id=89

A list of carriers can be found here:

http://www.skywaves.info/documents/tvoffsets.txt

It's a bit geeky but you can learn a lot from the carriers and the audio, long before you will ever see the pictures, if you do at all.

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John, thank you for such a lengthy and detailed reply on the methods of detecting TV signals, your offsets page suggests they can be used to catalogue an individual station or do they drift around what I assume is a nominal frequency or channel making identification only a possibility? I tuned into 48.25 + and - yesterday when 6m was very active to the South East and could hear a number of signals, using a copy of spectrum lab I have for weak signal working I produced a nice spectral display of said signals along with a whole load of sidebands spread at 50Hz up and down from the central signal. Unfortunately with no reference oscillator I've no idea of any exact frequency matches although I doubt my ic7400 is too far off. It is most hypnotic to watch two or three different signals fade in and out independently of one another in real time. I did try for their respective audio channels but I guess the polar pattern of my 6m beam is lost by the time I get that high, how do you TVDXers overcome the huge bandwidth required?

I was a bit disappointed that you can't see too much in the way of pictures across the Atlantic although I did find some links after a bit of googling. This chap on youtube is down in Portugal and receives a whole load of exotic pictures, maybe the more southerly latitude helps? http://youtube.com/watch?v=0WcuRcbyiG4 I also found another site that shows some clearer video, although this one is from Canada but the DXer is in the UK http://www.ukdx.org.uk/tv/canada_es.htm What stops the images being clearer on a Transatlantic path, is it the mutiple hop corrupting the syncs similar to multipath distortion or are the signals generally not strong enough to resolve video, I have to say I'm somewhat surprised there's enough signal for a TV picture to make it all this way but the latter link suggests it can be done, is it the usual situation being in the right place at the right time? Something I'm generally not when it comes to exotic DX LOL
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No probs grafter.

That carrier list probably needs some of the older unidentified offsets removing. It's geting a bit cluttered now and those carriers can move around a little over time.

Some transmitters used to be locked to rubidium standards and were accurate to within a single Hz. I think they've all closed down quite recently which is a pity as they made excellent reference points. You really need accurate references in order to calibrate your receiver properly. Some stations drift a little. Some drift a lot. Some jump frequency. Some have temperature controlled offsets. Some warble. Some just spread everywhere and have unusual characteristics. These can all make up a distinctive footprint. When you take these things into account, add the audio, propagation, etc. you begin to see how the carriers can often be identified.

The offsets were assigned for a reason, probably to minimise co-channel interference. They aren't necessarily a sign of poor transmitter maintenance. We try to be accurate but it's probably unrealistic to expect our accuracy to be within the Hz. For my own calibration I use the Buxton repeaters on 50 and 70MHz. These are generally regarded as being spot on at 50.000.000 and 70.000.000MHz. This seems reasonable when you consider they are right on the edges of the bands. They would probably need to be carefully controlled to avoid them drifting outside the bands.

Transatlantic carriers sometimes have a more smeary appearance, but the real givaways are their visible 60Hz sidebands as opposed to the 50Hz carriers you get with European signals.

The DXer in Portugal is Hugh Cocks. He is a member of the Skywaves group and is well known in the TV DX world. Today, he posted that he received Brazilian TV on band 1. I think it was just audio though.

Amazing isn't it! But having lots of expensive equipment won't help if the conditions aren't right. There's a lot to be said for "being in the right place at the right time", even if you have a simple setup. There's hope for us all!

Cheers

John :D
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This offset measurement opens up a new angle on DXing although I will have to extract my old Haupauge TV card from the data PC and hook it up to my 6m beam to see if I can see any pictures. I should be able to as the signal on 48.25MHz this evening is almost pegging the meter with very strong if quite distorted Spanish audio on 53.75MHz which I calculate to be from Madrid?

I have emailed Hugh to enquire about his DX equipment to find out what specialist equipment he is using and I've spoken to Paul who runs the ukdx.org site, he says as well as a scanner he uses a dedicated TVDX receiver that allows him to reduce the bandwidth of the signal to improve the S/N ratio thus improving the 'readability' of the picture. He also sent a link to a page he has written about carrier measurements and he also uses the Buxton beacons for reference as the common oscillator for both is locked to MSF. I actually had a good look round his site after reading up on the carriers and it's pretty extensive, the logs from last year were partcularly interesting as I could make a number of direct comparisons between my 50MHz contacts and his TV reception even though we are 100 miles apart.

I did PM tvdxrools on youtube to ask more about his station but as yet I've had no response on there although I do note he has not udated his footage this year so maybe his account is dormant, is he a member of the skywaves group as it maybe easier to contact him via that?

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Post by The_Prisoner »

Your 6m beam should be perfect for TV DX. I expect your Hauppauge will start to glow when the DX comes through! :D

Reducing the bandwidth of the Hauppauge will help a lot sith s/n but the resulting video might be unwatchable. This card has very good selectivity as it is without modification.

One thing I remember about the Hauppauge cards though - the older models were considered deaf and well behind the standards of later models.

We have lost contact with David (tvdxrools) since he parted company with Skywaves a year ago and I don't have any contact details. He will be around somewhere as I believe he may still be very active in ham radio circles.

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The_Prisoner wrote:One thing I remember about the Hauppauge cards though - the older models were considered deaf and well behind the standards of later models.
After reading your comment about the Hauppauge I think I may have had something of a result because I remembered my works PC has a FlyTV Prime card installed. I should really say it did as it is now inside this PC and all is working well 8) Paul has pointed me towards a website that has some extra software for the card that makes it more useful with weak signals and if I get more adventurous some circuits to add reduced bandwidth onto it. The card that I've installed has the correct chipset for the additional software whereas the PCI-TV card didn't. As you are all TVDXERs you probably already know of his website http://www.ukdx.org.uk but I've added it to the T1 links page if anyone wants to take a look. At the moment the only problem I can see is this PC puts out a massive spike from the DVI adapter on 48.0MHz, it can be seen as an almost blank screen when I tune the card to 48.25. Adapting down from a N socket to a TV plug required some ingenuity, the gaggle of inline adapters probably looses half the signal :lol:

Someone on a ham chat room has sent me Davids email address so I hope to be in contact with him soon and find out more about his beams, whether my XYL would allow yet more metalwork in the garden is another matter entirely, why they can't appreciate the beauty of a large beam is beyond me :wink: Thanks for your continuing advice.

Cheers

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